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TOPIC: Cross on waves: What does this mean?

Cross on waves: What does this mean? 4 years 11 months ago #1

I keep reading wave board characteristics such as “great for cross or cross-on waves”. Does anyone have a clue on what that means? Thx

Extract from Windsurf Magazine: Severne Dyno review
"THE VERDICT
Extolling the best virtues of modern compact design in an easy to use, balanced package, the Dyno offers incredible versatility for all abilities and conditions, deserving particular praise for its inspiring nature in cross to cross-on waves."
www.windsurf.co.uk/test/severne-dyno-105l-2019-test-review/

Cross on waves: What does this mean? 4 years 11 months ago #2

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It means side shore to side-onshore wind and waves. Like on Lake Michigan. Those are faster wave boards usually, with more planing flat and less tail rocker, somewhere in between freewave and offshore/radical wave.

Cross on waves: What does this mean? 4 years 11 months ago #3

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Translated from Surf magazine. They were next to each other with the Kode and I had to copy/paste both. I didn’t do it on purpose, but it is a good comparison, because they are supposed to be quite different. Also why do you want to replace the Starship with a wavier board, I thought you are looking for exactly the opposite-more slalomy board? I’m confused.

SEVERNE Dyno 95

Price: 2117 * Euro

Oops - how round is that? Not only the Outline of the Dyno looks very round, also the underwater ship with extremely rounded "V" and in addition clear "Bevels" laterally in the sliding surface offer hardly plane surface, on top of that is the tail with about seven to eight millimeters Tailkick bent the furthest , The glide performance in light wind is so unsurprisingly pretty much at the end of the group, powered the board but then accelerates well. It is extremely soft against the chopper wave and thus offers luxurious ride comfort with a reduced speed feeling. The board hangs very loose on the foot, motivated to jump and turn tight, with little effort can catapult the board to the first floor or jibe very tightly between two chopper waves. Surprisingly, other jibs succeed with very stable, grippy, soft cornering and neat sliding potential. Together, these properties provide the best conditions for, for example, fast, long 360s. On the board but can also concentrate on the sails and fully on the sail, the board does its part almost by itself. Nevertheless, the Dyno aims more on freestyle-oriented surfers who get time and again neat waves to ride under the Finn. The combination of freestyle qualities (very good sliding) and turning properties on the shaft are the real strength. surf-Conclusion: Very comfortable freemoveboard for maneuvers, freestyle and wave. For pure heating and freeriding a track too slippery.

STARBOARD Kode FreeWave 94 Carbon Reflex

Prices: 2799 * / 1899 ** Euro

The lightest board in the group glides and accelerates not only extremely well with the associated single-fin, but offers a very pleasantly damped sliding position despite the typical high-wind chop conditions. The code acts fast, but never makes a fuss. Equally sporty and yet easy to master, the board can be steered with full speed, or carefully dosed into the neck. Advanced skiers circled dashing carving jibes, and gurgles come safely through the curve. Especially in wide and middle radii, the code holds very good speed and is always quiet and stable on the edge. The lead in very tight turns and in the surf wave leaves the code to the very wave-oriented boards and also freestylers, who are mainly on slide moves, find more suitable alternatives. But the board flies flat but controlled - somehow free and muted at the same time - over the chopper waves of Porto Pollo, Ijsselmeer, Dümmer or Ammersee, that it is a pleasure. With an optional Thruster fin set you can tune the rotation characteristics and the wave suitability for occasional sessions in less surf, but they never reach the level of Wavegranaten in the test field.
surf Conclusion: An extremely comfortable and gliding strong Starkwindboard for Bump & Jump, Kabbelwelle, Freemove, Freeride and classic (gliding) maneuvers and therefore with a large target group. Not ideal as a pure wave or freestyle board.

Cross on waves: What does this mean? 4 years 11 months ago #4

Thanks Ady. Now it makes sense.

And to answer your question regarding the Starship. I like the way it behaves and how fast it can go. I don't like the way it weigh under the feet. The wood construction makes it a bit heavy and I've been spoiled with the lightweight carbon construction of the Bolt.

I think I'm looking for something that doesn't exist: A 110-ish liter board that...
  1. Is lighter than the Starship under the foot (target around ~7-7.5kg)
  2. Is more manageable in heavy chop than the Goya Bolt (not too hard on the knees, controllable in the gusts)
  3. Has a fast rocker line and maybe a wider tail for early and easy release
  4. Has great top speed first and maneuverable second
  5. Can be set with outboard and inboard straps
  6. Has a single and maybe a tri-fin option
  7. Can sail in conditions from 20-35kn (I'm heavy with 90kg!)

  8. Just
looking... just dreaming...Maybe the KODE...

Cross on waves: What does this mean? 4 years 11 months ago #5

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The RRD FSW is very similar to the Kode:
RRD Freestyle Wave V5 96 LTD

Prices: 2499 * / 2049 ** Euro

The classic among the bump & jump boards is also convincing in 2019 - at least in "his" home areas. And there are quite a few of them. From all inland areas to coastal spots with moderate surf the RRD marks its territory. The board does not quite offer the buttery-soft waterline of earlier models, but the slightly tighter tuning can not significantly diminish the legendary controllability and high ride comfort. The board glides convincingly with the single-fin (thruster option), acts on the straights with pressure in the sail like a small freeride board and cuts stable and fast in choppy water through wide and medium power neck radii. For ambitious carving jiber there is plenty of potential in the board and even those who still practice at the neck, gets the board very good support by the stable sliding position in the curve. Very close turns are with this fin neither on shallow water, nor in the wave the specialty. Freestylers who have Spocks and more in mind, the board is also a bit too "straight" on the foot. If you like comfortable, but still fast, sporty and controlled in strong winds, the RRD is a very good option to choose from. Smaller waves can be ridden with pressure, for larger surf an optional Thruster-fin set is recommended. surf-Conclusion: A bump & jump board in its purest form: For surfers with very sporadic surfing use and lots of fun on heating, jibing, jumping and classic tricks top. Less ideal for slipped freestyle tricks.


But if you decide to skip the wave part, the Severne Fox, Fanatic Blast and even Goya Carrera come to mind .

Cross on waves: What does this mean? 4 years 11 months ago #6

Great options. Thanks Ady for take the time. :)
Based on the info I found and the translation you provided:
  1. Fanatic Blast: Out of all the more freeride boards of the group, it might be the more versatile for the conditions I'm looking to sail in. A contender.
  2. RRD FSW: fast first and wave second, that's good. The only issue is the more stand-up position (not really good at that!) with the outbord straps position a bit too inboard it seems.
  3. Severne Fox has some interesting characteristics for choppy conditions but I'm afraid the 105l is a bit small (need to be able to uphaul when wind dies down!) while the 120l is too big and would feel a bit dull compared to the 125l Bolt.
  4. Goya Carrera seems to be like the Starship but lighter. Is that worth it?
  5. Severne Dyno is off target - a bit too much wave...
  6. SB Kode has a set of allround capabilities that makes it quite appealing: not really specialized at anything but good in almost everything. That sounds like the impossible board!

Cross on waves: What does this mean? 4 years 11 months ago #7

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Don’t forget the Goya One 116L too. Although a bit wave biased, it has always received great reviews. Will be an awesome light wind wave board .

Cross on waves: What does this mean? 4 years 11 months ago #8

JP, Fanatic, RRD, Starboard, Tabou, and everybody else extends their freestyle wave line up to 115 liters. Include Exocet cross silver as more free ride biased model in this class. All designed to do mostly the same thing with variable bias towards wave or free ride. Sorry I haven't sailed my Fanatic STB (95 L) enough to give any personal insight. My only personal insight on this matter is that I rode my brother's starship 115 in the Bay Area for a week, I think its from a period that they retained the same shape for quite a while. I thought the starship was nice enough, but did not think it was a particularly lively ride. I'm all in for a comfy and cushy ride, but it just seemed kind of sluggish. I was originally going to replace my 2002 Fanatic Cross (114 L 64 wide) and was considering Fanatic Blast, Fanatic STB, Tabou 3s classic, Simmer Helix, Exocet Cross silver, (because all were on sale and I am cheap) for free-ride on L Michigan. I decided I still liked the board so much and it is so perfect for my conditions (enough float for schlogging, narrow for smooth ride), that I would replace my 98L board (the old free board Reid reviewed), and settled on the STB based on Kevin K's opinion and a personal friend's experience with direct comparison of STB with traditional Fanatic FSW.

Cross on waves: What does this mean? 4 years 11 months ago #9

David Mark wrote:
...My only personal insight on this matter is that I rode my brother's starship 115 in the Bay Area for a week, I think its from a period that they retained the same shape for quite a while. I thought the starship was nice enough, but did not think it was a particularly lively ride. I'm all in for a comfy and cushy ride, but it just seemed kind of sluggish...

Thanks David. I agree: The 115l Starship is predictable and lacks a bit of agility. It’s a lot more freeride than freewave. And consequently, its best attribute is its top speed. When pushed hard, the 115l is fast in the chop. The 100l Starship is quite different though: lighter and more alive. I just couldn’t uphaul on the 100l and got stuck a few times out and promised myself I wouldn’t sail anything that I cannot uphaul, hence the switch to the 115l. It’s curious how the extra 15l made this board a completely different animal!

I tried the Goya One in Bonaire in February on a thruster config. I don’t know how it does with a single fin, but as I tried it, it felt more wave than freeride. It has too much rocker, demands more input from the rider to put on a plane, and is harder to keep moving in lulls or on/off conditions.

Cross on waves: What does this mean? 4 years 11 months ago #10

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Stubby translation then :blink:

FANATIC FreeWave STB 95 TE

Prices: 2499 * / 2799 ** Euro

The better is the enemy of the good - and so the freewave has the addition "STB" (Stubby) displaced the classic after a season of togetherness in the buyer's favor, which is why Fanatic from 2019 focuses on a model. The short, compact shape especially convinces with the best turning characteristics: In waveriding in front of small and medium waves, the board can be chosen very easily from the rear ankle to the Spraymaster, with narrow jacks in shallow water it offers great grip and circles with the tightest turns, for Jumped and slipped freestyle maneuvers put it in the air quickly and easily. With proper glide performance, the FreeWave scores well among the maneuverboards, while performance-oriented freeriders lack a bit of speed and the option of flying the board through the fin. Also, the neck characteristics with the best option on the tightest turns, but a little more unrest in wide carving jibes, fits more to the wave freestyle group than to GPS freaks. The board behaves in moderate power neck quite easy and forgiving and is therefore quite well suited for strong wind beginners. With the now larger center fin, the spin-out tendencies of the previous year have been resolved, so that the FreeWave on the straights good control and security offers.
surf conclusion: A very successful board for maneuver fans, bump & jump, slipped freestyle moves and even smaller surf waves. Only those who focus on top speed and carving jibes will find more powerful alternatives.

Cross on waves: What does this mean? 4 years 11 months ago #11

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And both 3Ss :

TABOU 3S + 96 LTD

Prices: 2299 * / 1999 ** Euro

The more sophisticated 3S + presents itself after two years of wandering - when Tabou was apparently unaware of where to go with a single 3S model - more balanced than in previous tests. At 2.29 meters in length, you have taken a step back from the extremely short predecessor concept. The latest "plus" version is recommended as a rather small-acting, comparatively also tiltier, but very playful board that offers almost anything you can expect on shallow water to moderate surf wave with a little upscale driving skills. The passive phase without pumps takes a little longer than the freemove specialists, but then accelerates the board but fast and takes a free, agile, sporty-looking sliding position. It hangs loosely on the foot, reacts quickly to control impulses and can be steered with little pressure into tight turns. It needs in middle radii - especially when climbers are on deck - more attention and leadership than the "Classic", but then masters also very well carving Jibes. The light-footed feeling encourages jumping and looping, as well as allowing the board to be easily flipped in the air and slashed at Spocks. Smaller waves can be ridden nicely, although the difference to pure waveboards (special topic on page 62) still noticeably fails. surf Conclusion: An agile board, which lands in no single discipline but at the top, but the balancing act between shallow water, wave and tricks creates particularly well. For surfers who value freestyle and waveriding, the classic is even better.

TABOU 3S Classic 97 LTD

Prices: 2199 * / 1899 ** Euro

The consequence is in the box - the classic 3S Classic sets exclusively on a single-Finn. This statement is the board to face, however, in classic Freemoveeinsatz it convinces with top sliding properties, a lot of speed, sporty, but controllable handling and power necklaces for the textbook. As if on rails and with moderate foot pressure, the 3S glides through the neck, once tilted, it runs very stable and without jumping or jamming. The big Finn performs excellently not only on the straight, but also on the turn. A short quick wobble from the ankle? This is neither in the choppy waters, nor in the surf the strength of this Tabou-shape, which is already characterized by the big Finn for the freeride and freemove use. So equipped, the 3S with small freewheeling can be really sporty drive, but also optionally glide along leisurely. In both cases, the board provides good directional stability and comfortable damping underfoot - if the otherwise mostly free across the chop sliding board but should get times chopper contact.
surf-Conclusion: The 3S embodies the epitome of Easy Surfing: For surfers who want in high winds, especially heating and jibing, also try jumping or classic sliding maneuvers, ideal. Not suitable for slipped freestyle moves or surfers with surfing ambitions.

Cross on waves: What does this mean? 4 years 11 months ago #12

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JP AUSTRALIA Freestyle Wave 94 PRO

Prices: 2449 * / 2049 ** Euro

As a true three-striker, the JP Freestyle Wave turns out to be. The relatively smaller-looking board with the rounded deck not only provides a sporty, direct feeling of sliding, but can also be turned well in a small wave, as well as for freestyle maneuvers. It is easy to carry, fold and slide in the air. The rather large mid-pelvis prevents even better notes in the wave, but on the other hand ensures good control, a sporty driving feel on the straights and good freewheeling ability. With some body tension and pressure on the fin, the board flies freely over the chopper waves, which provides good control and a lot of speed. The can be translated into the take off, the JP jumps great, hangs easily on the foot and rotates in the loop like a roundabout. In the neck, rail and Finns offer great grip, even in tight turns you can press at will, without that the board would jump out of the curve or intersect. With wide jaws with train in the sail and upscale driving skills, the board is doing well on the rail, slides far through the throat and turns willingly into the 360er. For "Wackelkandidaten", which steer even less vehemently and with tentative sailing technique in the neck, there are, however, more stable and much easier to jibe school ships. For Waveriding the turning characteristics are even better with a smaller center fin.
surf-Conclusion: Very sporty freemoveboard with a good shot of wave and freestyle suitability. For experienced strong wind surfers who are looking for a board for a variety of conditions.

This guy is trying to sell his board for a year now. I saw it once at Silver Lake WI. The guy is a senior and the board is too much work for him. He may be willing to swap it for the Starship.
milwaukee.craigslist.org/spo/d/milwaukee...d-jp/6891834852.html
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