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TOPIC: How to replace a broken foilbox?

How to replace a broken foilbox? 3 years 6 months ago #1

About a year ago, my foil crashed on a log I didn't see and that delaminated my fin box. I'm finally getting to fix it and I'll post over the next few days to document how I'm doing this in case it can help someone else.

STEP 1 - Prep and removal of old finbox

Find and trace board center. measure and record where the 2 bolt holes are located on the top deck
FoilBox01Findcenter.jpg


Trace center and foilbox perimeter on board
FoilBox02Tracenewboxoutline2.jpg


Drill as vertical as possible the 4 corners of the box perimeter (use a square for help).
FoilBox03Drill4corners2.jpg


Cut through the board "skin" with a jigsaw
FoilBox04Jigsawoutline2.jpg


Locate the 4 corners of the foilbox perimeter on the opposit side of the board by locating where the drill has poked through
FoilBox05locate4cornersondeck2.jpg


Repeat the jigsaw cut; on the deck side this time
FoilBox06Jugsawdeck2.jpg


Finish the cut with a Multitool from both side of the board if the jigsaw blade didn't got all the way through
FoilBox07finishcutwithmultitool2.jpg


Extract the old finbox
FoilBox08extractoldbax2.jpg


NEXT: Fit and glue the new box in place

How to replace a broken foilbox? 3 years 6 months ago #2

Step 2 - Fit and glue the new box in place

Fit and clean up the cavity for a fairly tight fit so the glue has room to expand a little
FoilBox09Cleanandfitnewbox2.jpg


Dry-fit the new box and ensure it lines up with centerline
FoilBox10dryfitnewfoilbox2.jpg


Tape-protect deck and surfaces in preparation for glue-up
FoilBox11tape-protectdeck2.jpg


Use Gorilla Glue to glue the box in place. Make sure to recess the box by a couple of millimeters to allow for the glass or carbon layup.
FoilBox12Gorilla-gluetheboxinplace2.jpg


Wedge wooden sticks where needed to set the foilbox in place at the correct depth and angle
FoilBox13placewoodenstickstosecurebox.jpg


Verify plumb with a fin and adjust with tape if necessary to pull the box on one side or the other
FoilBox14Verifyandadjustwithfinforplumb.jpg


NEXT: Cutting excess foilbox on deck and sand down existing glass on both sides around foilbox perimeter

How to replace a broken foilbox? 3 years 6 months ago #3

STEP 3 : Cutting excess foilbox on deck and sand down existing glass on both sides around foilbox perimeter

Hull side: Glue has cured overnight
FoilBox15letthegluecure.jpg


Hull side: Clean/remove excess glue
FoilBox16Cleanexcessglue.jpg


Hull side: Tape area to protect cutout edges from sanding
FoilBox17Protectcutoutedgesfromsanding.jpg


Hull side: Feather-down transition around FoilBox - ready for glass. Sand further forward for carbon reinforcement.
FoilBox18FeatherdownTranstionaroundfoilbox.jpg


Deck side: Glue has cured overnight
FoilBox19Letthegluecure.jpg


Deck side: Shave off excess FoilBox with Multitool
FoilBox20ShaveoffexcessFoilBox.jpg


Sand 2mm below original deck level and feather down transition around foilbox.
FoilBox21Sandandfeatheredges.jpg


NEXT: Cutting and glassing carbon layups

How to replace a broken foilbox? 3 years 5 months ago #4

STEP 4A : Cutting and glassing carbon layups - hull side

Cutting carbon fabric to size - 9 layers builds about 2mm-2.5mm finished thickness
FoilBox22Carbonfiber9layers.jpg


Glassing all layers and covering with release fabric (prevents the formation of amine blush, evens out last carbon layer surface, and absorbs excess epoxy)
FoilBox23GassingandReleaseFabric.jpg


Remove release fabric and expose carbon layup
FoilBox24Uniformsurfaceafterfabricremoved.jpg


Roughout shape surface (60), apply filler and finish-sanding (120/220/320)
FoilBox25Fillerandfinishsanding.jpg


Open Tuttle slot with trim router
FoilBox26Finslotrouting.jpg


Fine-tune slot opening with files
FoilBox27Finslottuning.jpg


Test-fit both fin and foil mast
FoilBox28Perfectfitfin.jpg

FoilBox29Perfectfitfoilmast.jpg


Finished Tuttle slot
FoilBox30FinishedTuttleslot.jpg


NEXT : Cutting and glassing carbon layups - deck side

How to replace a broken foilbox? 3 years 5 months ago #5

STEP 4B : Cutting and glassing carbon layups - deck side

Saturating foam with epoxy resin before carbon layup
FoilBox31Saturatingfoambeforelayup.jpg


Laying carbon fabric (8/9 layers) and finish with a release fabric
FoilBox32Carbonlayupandreleasefabric.jpg


Shaping and initial sanding (60 grit)
FoilBox33Shapingsanding.jpg


Fairing coat to fill pin holes and uneven surfaces (epoxy + silica filler)
FoilBox34Fillercoat.jpg


Final sanding (120/220/320) before painting. Taping for paint
FoilBox35Finalsandingbeforepaint.jpg


NEXT : Painting top and bottom

How to replace a broken foilbox? 3 years 5 months ago #6

STEP 5 : Painting top and bottom

I painted the deck black because I knew I would never be able to match the streaky effects that the original paint had. So, I decided to visually connect the black and white footstrap pads with the hope that it felt aesthetically ok and intentional
FoilBox36PaintingMatteblacktop.jpg


Matte black was the choice. I used Rust-Oleum Painter's Touch 2X
FoilBox37FinishedBlack.jpg


A couple of coats of paint and it was done! I didn't apply non-skid texture because I can't recall ever putting my foot on that area while riding. If it needs some, I could always do it later.
FoilBox38FinishedBlack.jpg


I also took care of giving the cutouts a coat of paint to freshen them up a bit
FoilBox39PaintingMatteblackbottom.jpg


And went on masking the cutouts, prepped the surface sanding with 320, and was ready for a couple of coats of white
FoilBox41Maskingforwhite.jpg


Luckily, the Rust-Oleum white is almost a perfect match to the original Fanatic white. Makes it easy to blend into the existing paint
FoilBox42Whitepaint.jpg


Paint is done! I wet-sanded between coats with 400grit dry/wet.
FoilBox43Bottomfinishedsanded800wet.jpg


I masked a margin around the Tuttle slot: This is to avoid having paint chipping on the edges of the slot when installing and removing fins. Chipping existing finish happened to me before
FoilBox44finished.jpg


A nice and flat transition should guaranty the same performance as the original. I also wet-sanded the finish to satin with 800 wet/dry sandpaper. I finished the sanding with strokes running longitudinally to the board.
FoilBox45finished.jpg


NEXT : Drilling the screw holes

How to replace a broken foilbox? 3 years 5 months ago #7

STEP 6 : Drilling the screw holes

For accuracy, I needed to build a small jig so the holes would be positioned exactly where intended. I did it by:

• Cutting and gluing 3 layers of thin plywood scraps that were laying around in my garage
• Laying out the jig outline with a printed to-scale dimensional drawing of a Deep Tuttle head
• Gluing the print to the 3 layers of ply, stacked and double-sided tapped, and cut to size at the chop-saw
• Dividing/cutting the center layer into 3 segments, removing the equivalent of the plywood thickness centered on the axis of each Tuttle fin screw in order to form 2 channels that I can later drill through
• Gluing with carpenter's glue and clamping the plywood layers together
• Increased the diameter of the 2 channels with a few drill bits of increased sizes. I tried to make sure the hole was not drifting off-center while drilling. This is to at least fit an M6 screw
• Chamfering all short edges to accommodate the Tuttle slot corner radiuses
• Attaching a scrap piece of ply on the surface where the fin would normally be in order to level the jig flush to the edges of the Tuttle slot before drilling through the board.
• Labeling the front of the jig as drilling in reverse would be very upsetting!

FoilBox46jigbuilding.jpg


Time to drill the holes. For now, I just drilled to accommodate M6 screws. I'll enlarge the holes for an M10 once I receive the long Titanium 90mm M10 I ordered to fit my foil.
FoilBox47holedrilling.jpg


That's the finished result. Holes are positioned perfectly and the fit is accurate.
FoilBox48finishedfininstallation.jpg


I hope this might help some to tackle a foilbox refit on an old board to get started windfoiling. There's nothing really difficult here. It just takes time between steps for the resin to cure. My advice: To get an even finished surface without bumps, valleys, or excess material cresting over the surrounding surfaces, I recommend frequently passing your hand over the area being faired so you can feel the unevenness. I would also use sanders and other tools with a light touch and frequently check your work so you don't have to dig into the glass layers deeper than necessary. Post below or contact me if any questions.
FoilBox49finishedreplacement.jpg

How to replace a broken foilbox? 3 years 5 months ago #8

Bravo, kudos, amazing.....
I learned a lot, but I am amazed or surprised that what is supporting a fin box, is basically carbon/fiberglass bonded to the top/bottom layers of board... on the other hand, what else is there? How much actual labor time (not including waiting to dry time) was involved? How does a dedicated foil box differ from a standard deep tuttle box? Do you think a standard deep tuttle box (eg my Bic Nova 165) can support a foil under normal use (eg not running to logs) or would something like Windance power plate be advisable?

How to replace a broken foilbox? 3 years 5 months ago #9

David Mark wrote:
...what is supporting a fin box, is basically carbon/fiberglass bonded to the top/bottom layers of board... on the other hand, what else is there?
How much actual labor time (not including waiting to dry time) was involved? How does a dedicated foil box differ from a standard deep tuttle box?
Do you think a standard deep tuttle box (eg my Bic Nova 165) can support a foil under normal use (eg not running to logs) or would something like Windance power plate be advisable?

Hi David. Thanks!
• Yep, top and bottom glass make for a big portion of the structural integrity. The glue or resin used to bond the box to the eps foam is also not a negligible factor to provide strength.
• Time-wise, I didn't really count but I think I spent between 7 and 8 hours total. I probably wasted time contemplating my work with a beer in hand more than necessary! :lol: If I had to do it again, It would probably take me 2/3 or 1/2 that time.
• A std Deep Tuttle will work with a foil (That's what was in my board before) but it doesn't have enough reinforcements on the hull forward of the slot box (lots of pressure due to the foil there) and Std Deep Tuttle box are ~2" wide while foil-ready boxes are 4' to 4.5". This is for lateral strength.
• I successfully used the Powerplate on that board with my foil prior to running into a log. The device just adds a bit more weight to the kit and obviously isn't smooth under the hull. Not sure if that changes much of your ability to take off early or not. It probably just creates a bit more drag until you're up and foiling.

If you are thinking of buying a PowerPlate, I can sell you mine for a good price. I don't need it anymore! PM me if you're interested.
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